Ukraine support/flag/emblem?

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Zen
Spieler
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Joined: Sun 22. May 2022, 17:11

Hello guys. I am really enjoying playing on this server but have heard some admins talking lately about banning or instructing people to change their steam avatars, the ones they are using to support the Ukraine. It would be nice to hear what kind of rules does this break against and why? I have also seen some other players using flags with their country flag as well as Ukraine's flag together. Tried to look up the issue here in the forum but I can't find it why and what is the reason for this decision? I am Swedish and if I want to support my country for any reasons given, or use Swedish flag as an avatar, does that mean I would get banned here?

I am asking this question here because I've seen admin warning people for this and banning them if they don't change their avatar. I've asked the admin in the chat but never got the answer.

Best regards from,
Zen
dshkb
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Posts: 100
Joined: Mon 7. Mar 2022, 18:41
Location: Gronau

Hello Zen,

Of course you can use your country's flag as your avatar, that's no problem. The reason for the player's ban is that besides the flag, he had an other symbol in his avatar that is forbidden.

Sorry I didn't reply to you in game. I didn't realize you asked something.

I hope I could help you a bit.


Kind regards

dshkb
benno_berghammer
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Joined: Tue 31. Jul 2018, 07:35

Hi Zen,

thx for your thread, it is a very important topic!

Well, yes, we banned two players cause for carrying an avatar (see below) containing symbols, which were (and are) used by nationalsocialistis.

But: That avatar also contains the ukrainian flag.

Many people around the world want to show their support with the Ukraine. We definitely respect that from every point of view.

Many people are showing their support by using an ukrainian flag. Using a flag of a country is not forbidden at our servers.
As you can see e.g. here, there are some insignias/pictures etc. not only showing the ukrainian flag.

That cases lead us to assume, that some players take avatars etc. just cause there is an ukrainian flag inside - without a moments thought, what else could be visible there.

So theres a dilemma: We respect the support for the Ukraine, and we have to assume, that some avatars (maybe containing forbidden symbols) are not choosen on purpose.

Our solving at the moment: We try to talk to concerned players for telling them the backgrounds.
If players dont react or just say "idk", we have to make a decision, cause we dont want to have forbidden symbols at our servers. Esp. symbols, for which other players could be banned instantly and permanently.

Furthermore, the group which has been using the emblem shown below (the "Asow Battalion") was formerly found to share some radical right-wing positions. For more informations pls look into the wikipedia article shown at the end.
Now the Asow Battalion is part of the ukrainian national garde, it is commonly said there are no more radical right-wing tedencies there, they also changed their emblem 2015. But we cant and shouldnt do further evaluations here.

You see, its quite difficult to find a decision having regard to all points.
Perhaps it will be given a landmark decision by the main administration how to handle such cases in future.

We hope our explanation makes the decisions more clear now.
Dont hesitate to ask further if some points are not :)

Kind regards,
Benno :smilie:

Source of the graphic below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
benno_berghammer
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Dear Zen,

pls take a look here: viewtopic.php?p=3723608#p3723608

There you can find the 5 minutes old landmark decision ;)
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